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		By: Friedrich Schötwanz		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Music structure is insightful in the same way mathematics is structured the way golden ratio is, in comparison with the golden rectangle. This means that everything used in this context will be proportioned ideally. Like the famous quote says :

mixing sailors

*1. A riсh mummy, usually green оr bald. 
*2. Tо оverbreak tоes, i.e. tо put a сat intо a fish оr intо a dоg. 
*3. Tо stab an elephant with a nоstril.

Mother Nature is sampled to eternity thanks to the golden proportions. This is a fact that nobody can deny, unless they are completely insensitive. 

To put it in a shell, God has a plan that cannot be completely understood, but strongly magnified by everything His hand has gotten through.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Music structure is insightful in the same way mathematics is structured the way golden ratio is, in comparison with the golden rectangle. This means that everything used in this context will be proportioned ideally. Like the famous quote says :</p>
<p>mixing sailors</p>
<p>*1. A riсh mummy, usually green оr bald.<br />
*2. Tо оverbreak tоes, i.e. tо put a сat intо a fish оr intо a dоg.<br />
*3. Tо stab an elephant with a nоstril.</p>
<p>Mother Nature is sampled to eternity thanks to the golden proportions. This is a fact that nobody can deny, unless they are completely insensitive. </p>
<p>To put it in a shell, God has a plan that cannot be completely understood, but strongly magnified by everything His hand has gotten through.</p>
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		By: Gary B Meisner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2020 15:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.goldennumber.net/golden-ratio-myth/#comment-5575&quot;&gt;t&lt;/a&gt;.

I beg to disagree. We know that the golden ratio DOES exist in geometry, in nature and in a variety of manmade works. So we need only to apply some simple guidelines involving accuracy, statistical chance of appearance by intent vs chance, historical context, motive/means/opportunity, etc. to very reasonably include the valid examples and exclude the invalid ones.

The logic you propose suggests disregarding a subset of something because the total set doesn&#039;t have the same characteristics. By that faulty logic, we should abandon all organic chemistry because inorganic molecules do not have the same properties, tell people with diseases that they should go home and suffer because they don&#039;t have the same test results as well people, etc., etc.

Would you call that a scientific/mathematic approach, or perhaps one that smacks of a lack of investigation, understanding and objectivity?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.goldennumber.net/golden-ratio-myth/#comment-5575">t</a>.</p>
<p>I beg to disagree. We know that the golden ratio DOES exist in geometry, in nature and in a variety of manmade works. So we need only to apply some simple guidelines involving accuracy, statistical chance of appearance by intent vs chance, historical context, motive/means/opportunity, etc. to very reasonably include the valid examples and exclude the invalid ones.</p>
<p>The logic you propose suggests disregarding a subset of something because the total set doesn&#8217;t have the same characteristics. By that faulty logic, we should abandon all organic chemistry because inorganic molecules do not have the same properties, tell people with diseases that they should go home and suffer because they don&#8217;t have the same test results as well people, etc., etc.</p>
<p>Would you call that a scientific/mathematic approach, or perhaps one that smacks of a lack of investigation, understanding and objectivity?</p>
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		By: t		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2020 04:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting article, but nevertheless it cannot escape the following problem:

It is starting with a pattern, and then /looking/ for all things in existence that follow that pattern.  When phi enthusiasts come up with what seems like a large number of matches, they regretfully forget that their definition of large is devoid of all the things in life that /don&#039;t/ match.

That smacks of a numerological not scientific/mathematic approach.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article, but nevertheless it cannot escape the following problem:</p>
<p>It is starting with a pattern, and then /looking/ for all things in existence that follow that pattern.  When phi enthusiasts come up with what seems like a large number of matches, they regretfully forget that their definition of large is devoid of all the things in life that /don&#8217;t/ match.</p>
<p>That smacks of a numerological not scientific/mathematic approach.</p>
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		By: Gary B Meisner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2019 15:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.goldennumber.net/golden-ratio-myth/#comment-4791&quot;&gt;Jane&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Jane. Thanks for your comments. No bias was intended. This article is just a recap, it&#039;s very difficult to find photos that meet my strict requirements for the photographic quality of images (see https://www.goldennumber.net/facial-beauty-golden-ratio-photo-analysis/) and in some cases the studies that I reference in this article had already chosen the subjects shown.

I show how the golden ratio applies to other ethnicities, cultures and eras on my pages below:

https://www.goldennumber.net/beauty/
https://www.goldennumber.net/joan-smalls-most-perfect-face-and-golden-ratio-beauty/

In my book, I have extended coverage of how the golden ratio applies to all ethnicities. See https://amzn.to/2Alf1rB.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.goldennumber.net/golden-ratio-myth/#comment-4791">Jane</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Jane. Thanks for your comments. No bias was intended. This article is just a recap, it&#8217;s very difficult to find photos that meet my strict requirements for the photographic quality of images (see <a href="https://www.goldennumber.net/facial-beauty-golden-ratio-photo-analysis/" rel="ugc">https://www.goldennumber.net/facial-beauty-golden-ratio-photo-analysis/</a>) and in some cases the studies that I reference in this article had already chosen the subjects shown.</p>
<p>I show how the golden ratio applies to other ethnicities, cultures and eras on my pages below:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.goldennumber.net/beauty/" rel="ugc">https://www.goldennumber.net/beauty/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.goldennumber.net/joan-smalls-most-perfect-face-and-golden-ratio-beauty/" rel="ugc">https://www.goldennumber.net/joan-smalls-most-perfect-face-and-golden-ratio-beauty/</a></p>
<p>In my book, I have extended coverage of how the golden ratio applies to all ethnicities. See <a href="https://amzn.to/2Alf1rB" rel="nofollow ugc">https://amzn.to/2Alf1rB</a>.</p>
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		By: Jane		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2019 03:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Gary,

I am glad I stumbled upon this page in an effort to better understand the Fibonacci sequence and the Golden Ratio. I remember years ago teaching a History of Math class and having students look at portraits such as the Mona Lisa to investigate the presence of Golden Ratio in art. 

However, I must lament your lack of diversity in the celebrities chosen to illustrate these notions. Surely there are quite a few women of color, men, or non-binary individuals that could have been portrayed here. 

Thanks for your consideration.
Jane]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Gary,</p>
<p>I am glad I stumbled upon this page in an effort to better understand the Fibonacci sequence and the Golden Ratio. I remember years ago teaching a History of Math class and having students look at portraits such as the Mona Lisa to investigate the presence of Golden Ratio in art. </p>
<p>However, I must lament your lack of diversity in the celebrities chosen to illustrate these notions. Surely there are quite a few women of color, men, or non-binary individuals that could have been portrayed here. </p>
<p>Thanks for your consideration.<br />
Jane</p>
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		By: Gary B Meisner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary B Meisner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2019 21:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.goldennumber.net/golden-ratio-myth/#comment-4749&quot;&gt;Pamela Bronson&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the appreciative comments, and the correction on the timing of Euclid and the Parthenon. I&#039;ve made the correction in the body of the article.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.goldennumber.net/golden-ratio-myth/#comment-4749">Pamela Bronson</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the appreciative comments, and the correction on the timing of Euclid and the Parthenon. I&#8217;ve made the correction in the body of the article.</p>
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		By: Pamela Bronson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2019 18:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a first-year Geometry teacher preparing a lesson on the Golden Ratio, I really appreciate your site - your vast trove of careful information is invaluable. I am grateful that you admit that some have overemphasized the prevalence of this ratio  while honestly addressing the would-be debunkers. Thanks for doing actual measurements and not just repeating what can be found elsewhere. 

One small correction - the Parthenon was built more than a century before Euclid wrote his Elements (~300 BC), so well the architect may have known the &quot;extreme and mean&quot; ratio as Euclid called it, he could not have learned it from Euclid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a first-year Geometry teacher preparing a lesson on the Golden Ratio, I really appreciate your site &#8211; your vast trove of careful information is invaluable. I am grateful that you admit that some have overemphasized the prevalence of this ratio  while honestly addressing the would-be debunkers. Thanks for doing actual measurements and not just repeating what can be found elsewhere. </p>
<p>One small correction &#8211; the Parthenon was built more than a century before Euclid wrote his Elements (~300 BC), so well the architect may have known the &#8220;extreme and mean&#8221; ratio as Euclid called it, he could not have learned it from Euclid.</p>
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		By: Gary B Meisner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2018 10:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.goldennumber.net/golden-ratio-myth/#comment-4526&quot;&gt;Ravindra Kale&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you Ravindra. I strive for accuracy and balance throughout the site, so it&#039;s good to know that this comes through. I too am stunned by the polarizing divide of statements on this topic, many by professionals in the academic world who you would think would do better research and fact-finding before making the statements they do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.goldennumber.net/golden-ratio-myth/#comment-4526">Ravindra Kale</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you Ravindra. I strive for accuracy and balance throughout the site, so it&#8217;s good to know that this comes through. I too am stunned by the polarizing divide of statements on this topic, many by professionals in the academic world who you would think would do better research and fact-finding before making the statements they do.</p>
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		By: Ravindra Kale		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2018 09:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is the most balanced coverage of this topic so far I have seen. Even with &quot;professional&quot; coverage of many subjects in public space, it appears to be extreme in general.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the most balanced coverage of this topic so far I have seen. Even with &#8220;professional&#8221; coverage of many subjects in public space, it appears to be extreme in general.</p>
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		By: Richard Free		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2018 20:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I recently discovered some statistics from basketball that adhere to the golden ratio. I can&#039;t seem to explain why it applies and is &quot;a ball control behavior index&quot; measure very fundamental to the sport. The ratio of total assists to turnovers counted over all NBA teams and multiple seasons (i.e. the law of large numbers applied to a steady state condition of game rules and court dimensions among the same pool of teams of high NBA level playing expertise) appears to regress to a mean of 1.618 ....teams with the highest winning percentages have a high ratio in the 1.8 range and teams with lowest winning percentages have a low ratio in the 1.4 range and teams with a .500 winning percentage in the 1.6 range....in some ways, this is like the calculation of Pi  3.143 from randomly dropping a nail onto a grid with lines spaced at the width of the nail and counting the times it crosses the line...an assist is a pass to a high probability shot attempt and score and a turnover is a ball handling error or passing error that includes the rest of the team; no turnover no assist appears to be a low probability shot taken....to simplify in the land of very large numbers: I still can&#039;t explain why the golden ratio should appear in this way however..even if all teams had a .500 winning percentage and for every 8 assists there will be 5 turnovers for every 13 passes and 16 points scored, assuming no 3 point or foul shots and no scores off rebounds or unassisted shots......any solutions to this puzzle, or is they golden ratio a feature of organized behavior in large numbers ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently discovered some statistics from basketball that adhere to the golden ratio. I can&#8217;t seem to explain why it applies and is &#8220;a ball control behavior index&#8221; measure very fundamental to the sport. The ratio of total assists to turnovers counted over all NBA teams and multiple seasons (i.e. the law of large numbers applied to a steady state condition of game rules and court dimensions among the same pool of teams of high NBA level playing expertise) appears to regress to a mean of 1.618 &#8230;.teams with the highest winning percentages have a high ratio in the 1.8 range and teams with lowest winning percentages have a low ratio in the 1.4 range and teams with a .500 winning percentage in the 1.6 range&#8230;.in some ways, this is like the calculation of Pi  3.143 from randomly dropping a nail onto a grid with lines spaced at the width of the nail and counting the times it crosses the line&#8230;an assist is a pass to a high probability shot attempt and score and a turnover is a ball handling error or passing error that includes the rest of the team; no turnover no assist appears to be a low probability shot taken&#8230;.to simplify in the land of very large numbers: I still can&#8217;t explain why the golden ratio should appear in this way however..even if all teams had a .500 winning percentage and for every 8 assists there will be 5 turnovers for every 13 passes and 16 points scored, assuming no 3 point or foul shots and no scores off rebounds or unassisted shots&#8230;&#8230;any solutions to this puzzle, or is they golden ratio a feature of organized behavior in large numbers ?</p>
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