# Pi, Phi and Fibonacci Numbers

Phi (Φ) and pi (Π) and Fibonacci numbers can be related in several ways:

## The Pi-Phi Product and its derivation through limits

The product of phi and pi,

1.618033988… X 3.141592654…, or 5.083203692,

is found in golden geometries:

Golden Circle | Golden Ellipse |

Circumference = p |
Area = p |

Ed Oberg and Jay A. Johnson have developed a unique expression for the pi-phi product (pΦ) as a function of the number 2 and an expression they call “The Biwabik Sum,”a function of phi, the set of all odd numbers and the set of all Fibonacci numbers, as follows:

p Phi = 2² {1 | + [ (2/3) / (F1+F2 Phi) + (1/5) / (F3+F4 Phi) - (1/7) / (F5+F6 Phi) ] |

- [ (2/9) / (F7+F8 Phi) + (1/11) / (F9+F10 Phi) - (1/13) / (F11+F12 Phi) ] | |

+ [ (2/15) / (F13+F14 Phi) + (1/17) / (F15+F16 Phi) - (1/19) / (F17+F18 Phi) ] | |

- … } | |

= 5.083203692…. |

This relationship was derived after Oberg noticed an interesting relationship between pi and phi while contemplating geometric questions related to the location of the King and Queen’s burial chambers in the Great Pyramid, Cheops, of Giza, Egypt, the design of which is based on phi.You can access the complete paper published by Ed Oberg and Jay A. Johnson, The Pi-Phi Product, in Word, or the Pi-Phi Product in Excel to see their formulation illustrated numerically.

## Trigonometric functions relating phi (Φ) and pi (Π)

Divide a 360° circle into 5 sections of 72° each and you get the five points of a pentagon, whose dimensions are all based on phi relationships.

Accordingly, it shouldn’t be too surprising that phi, pi and 5 (a Fibonacci number) can be related through trigonometry:

Or, a much simpler way involving, contributed by Dale Lohr:

Pi = 5 arccos (.5 Phi)

Note: The angle of .5 Phi is 36 degrees, of which there are 10 in a circle or 5 of in pi radians.

Note: Above formulas expressed in radians, not degrees

Alex Williams, MD, points out that you can use the Phi and Fives relationship to express pi as follows:

5arccos((((5^(0.5))*0.5)+0.5)*0.5) = pi

Robert Everest discovered that you can express Phi as a function of Pi and the numbers 1, 2, 3 and 5 of the Fibonacci series:

Phi = 1 – 2 cos ( 3 Pi / 5)

## Pi and Phi in the Great Pyramid of Egypt

Another interesting relationship between Pi and Phi is related to the geometry of the Great Pyramid of Giza. This relationship connects dimensions of the Great Pyramid to both Pi and Phi, but it is not known with certainty whether this was an intentional aspect of its design, whether its design was based on Pi or Phi but not both, or whether it is a simple coincidence. It relates to the fact that 4 divided by square root of phi is almost exactly equal to Pi:

The square root of Phi (1.6180339887…) = 1.2720196495…

4 divided by 1.2720196495… = 3.14460551103…

Pi = 3.14159265359…

The difference of these two numbers is less than a 10th of a percent.

See the Phi, Pi and the Great Pyramid page for more details.

## Pi squared (Π²) and 987

Pi squared (Π²) is 9.8696…, which, if you round to 9.87 and ignore the decimals, is 987, the 17th number of the Fibonacci series. (Contributed by William Erman.)

## More on the relationship of Phi squared and Pi

If you’re looking for other interesting ways to relate pi and phi, 6/5 * Phi^2 = 3.1416, which approximates pi. (Contributed by Steve Lautizar.)

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Pi squared (Π²) and 987

Pi squared (Π²) is 9.8696…, which, if you round to 9.87 and ignore the decimals, is 987, the 17th number of the Fibonacci series. (Contributed by William Erman.)

yes as you also can multiply 21 * 13 and add it to 34 * 21 to make 987 which are the number 7th 8th and 9th of the Fibonacci series.

PI = 1.2 PHI^2=3.1416

I found this relationship while studying the work of Rene Schwaller de Lubicz. He had discovered in the measurements of PI and PHI, where both numbers governed it’s PI shape. Over the course of 15 years he measured the Luxor Temple in Egypt and showed that Egypt had a sound knowledge of phi and pi long before the Greeks. Ref his colossal work Temple of Man.

I then found this website as I wanted to delve into the relationship further.

i noticed that pi x (square root phi)= 4 ( or very close) and you can make a rectangular triangle with sizes phi, (square root phi) and 1, both of a charming simplicity.

From the Giza pyramid one derives the simple relation between pi and phi that is 5/6 of pi minus 1 is phi.

That does provide a close approximation of phi. There are endless variations on that approach though, for instance 4 / square root of phi is close to Pi. They’re all interesting, and many are very insightful and creative, but the most meaningful relationships are those that are exact or that can be related to a geometric construction. See this site’s page on Phi, Pi and the Great Pyramid of Giza for other interesting relationships.

Relation of Pi to phi can be

Pi *4/33 =0.3808 = 0.381

1-0.381=.619 =0.618

0.381*2= 0.764

1-0.764= 0.236

I noticed whilst writing a program to draw a ‘flower of life’ that the position of the third (and subsequent) circles, after drawing the first two intersecting circles is related by this formula (forgive me, I’m a computer geek, not a math geek) -

Given circles of radius r at co-ords X1, Y1 and X2, Y2, the X co-ord of the center of the third circle, X3 = X1 + ( r / (Pi * Phi) ) * Pi.

Have I restated an existing and known about relationship?

Interesting site by the way. I’ve written a nice Pascals triangle program that shows the relationship between it and prime numbers that you might be interested in. I’ll upload it to my website if you want to have a look.

More easily stated ( I should have noticed earlier) X3 = X1 + R / Phi

>…4 divided by 1.2720196495… = 3.14460551103…<

Please ref .for my proof of above from international conference proceedings,work

of mine, and further published part contents in book:

http://www.stefanides.gr/Html/GOLDEN_ROOT_SYMMETRIES.htm

http://www.stefanides.gr/pdf/BOOK%20_GRSOGF.pdf

http://www.stefanides.gr/pdf/D=5,083FOUR_1.pdf

http://www.stefanides.gr/pdf/QRT7A16_64BYPI_1.pdf

COMPARE [solution ]:

http://www.stefanides.gr/pdf/2012_Oct/PHOTO_12.pdf

WITH [no solution]:

http://www.stefanides.gr/pdf/2012_Oct/PHOTO_11.pdf

Regards from Athens,

Panagiotis Stefanides

http://www.stefanides.gr

we noticed that the circumference of the golden circle isn’t pi but phi*pi and we also discovered that the golden eclipse area is pi*phi and that it isn’t pi.

I am doing 6th Grade Math project on the golden ratio, thanks whoever posted this

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